i think mitt romney, the analog to him is john kerry. he was a presentable, i think the other guys might not hate him type of former massachusetts -- >> went back into the senate afterward. >> the moment that he disappeared, that's the last you heard about john kerry from any democrat. he was like, enough, we're not going to do that again. there's a lot of republicans saying enough, we're not going do that again. the question is okay, what are you going to do that's different? from my perspective, i don't believe what a lot of democrats fear about republicans, is that they're going to do that it's very rare that you have people making a principal case for that. for the first time in a generation, there are some republicans who are actually making that case. >> i hope so. >> let me ask. there were two other things that came out. the idea of governors. in this country, we elect governors and senators and vice presidents as president, right? if you want to know who is in the running, you want to look at governors, senators and most specific